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Subject: Can morality exist without religion? Wed Aug 14, 2024 4:35 am
Just about everyone tries to be a good person. But what determines what it means to be “good”? Throughout history, many people, if not most, have turned to religion as a source of moral guidance. Yet, plenty of people are not religious, raising an important question:
Can morality exist without religion? (Why/Why Not?
DrLeftover  
Posts : 1129 Join date : 2022-08-13 Location : Over there
Subject: Re: Can morality exist without religion? Wed Aug 14, 2024 7:46 am
In Rome, Emperor Augustus issued his "Moral Laws" using the authority of his position to enforce them instead of any religious statute.
Posts : 2291 Join date : 2023-04-10 Age : 54 Location : Arnhem Netherlands
Subject: Re: Can morality exist without religion? Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:31 am
Yes even the Bible says so. Everyone has a conscience.
Romans 2 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them
Kaunisto  
Posts : 1740 Join date : 2022-08-22 Age : 46 Location : Finland
Subject: Re: Can morality exist without religion? Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:30 pm
I always question the opposite, whether morality can exist with religion. Religions dictate right and wrong, give people dogma to follow instead of any moral compass of their own. Also, most religions say that our life is followed by fair and just judgment, reward and/or punishment. What is then the point of morality in this life (other than benefiting yourself and that's not moral) if justice will be served in the end either way?
Vince  
Posts : 4459 Join date : 2022-08-13 Age : 24 Location : Indiana
Subject: Re: Can morality exist without religion? Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:58 am
I know what the Bible teaches on innate morality. On morality as defined in groups of people. But ultimately, I believe a major amount is taught and learned by piers, family, church, school and other contacts.
Morality is about knowing the difference between right and wrong. It's like having a guide that helps you make good choices, like being kind to others, telling the truth, and not hurting anyone. It’s what helps us know how to treat people and how to be a good person. We all have the option to act within our morality and that outward manifestation is what people mistake as morality. Morality in itself is an inward idea unique to each of us. If people don't act on the morality that they have been taught, then they are psychopaths.
I have recently been in contact with several 3- and 4-year-olds and taken the opportunity to observe both the children and the parenting skills that are being used. They have to be taught to share, tell the truth and be kind to others, even kind to their own parents! I believe immediate punishment and reward is essential.
I don't believe anyone is good. I take it all with a grain of salt and therefore I'm never shocked at what people are capable to do and do to others. What is moral for one group may not be for another. So, public morality can't exist if it's not taught, like the 3-year-old that never learns to share or is never taught that hurting small animals is immoral. Church can play a major part, as does family and upbringing.
Subject: Re: Can morality exist without religion? Sat Aug 24, 2024 2:35 pm
I think so. Even without knowledge of God, man(kind) was endowed by their Creator with a moral compass, but one that's more subjective (imo...). As we increase in kmowledge of God this internal compass/worldview can become more aligned with the will of God for us. We don't remain static (and neither do non-believers), but change our worldview by internal/external influences as well as through increased knowledge of God