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PostSubject: Transgender debate   Transgender debate Icon_minitimeSun 29 Sep 2024 - 4:35

In this debate, ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ are not the same.

The transgender debate is based around two key concepts: sex and gender.

Transgender activists claim that the two are different, and that sex (which refers to your biological make-up, as denoted in chromosomes) is less important than gender (your internal sense of self), which defines who you really are. In short, they would claim that if you feel like you are a woman, regardless of your biology, then you really are a woman.

Question: In your opinion, are sex & gender the same or not and why?
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PostSubject: Re: Transgender debate   Transgender debate Icon_minitimeSun 29 Sep 2024 - 12:53

First there's the question of whether sex or gender are binary, is there only men and women?
Least to say that is a simplification that ignores exceptions.
I don't think nearly all people can be defined male or female by personality. Which makes the original question to "can gender be opposite to sex" besides being in gray zone. But since there is a gray zone where someone can be argued to be of either gender (or between them), they are at least by some interpretation or definition people of gender opposite to their sex.

Then again, is there at all a definable mental gender? I identify as man, but also Caucasian and (ethnic) Finn, among other things. Are each of these physical biological qualities or social definitions?
Least to say they can be unclear. Around century and a half ago it took in US a court decision to define that Finns are white and NOT Asian.
It can be argued there's no inborn gender, certainly not definable to a binary choice.

Yet again, I think most of us would say that if our brain was put in a genderless robot, we'd continue to consider ourselves of the same sex/gender as before. In other words we do generally believe in having a mental gender, argument is more about how it forms, can it be different from sex and can and should it be changed. And indeed whether it is a more defining quality of a person than their physical sex.

I'm doing circles here and coming up with more questions than answers.
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PostSubject: Re: Transgender debate   Transgender debate Icon_minitimeTue 1 Oct 2024 - 6:02

An "inconvenient truth" that those in favor of all this ignore is that a trans-man (born male) who has had the surgery to become female, can still die of prostate cancer.

You can not defeat Nature.
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PostSubject: Re: Transgender debate   Transgender debate Icon_minitimeWed 2 Oct 2024 - 4:59

DrLeftover wrote:
An "inconvenient truth" that those in favor of all this ignore is that a trans-man (born male) who has had the surgery to become female, can still die of prostate cancer.

You can not defeat Nature.

you have the terms the wrong way round

trans man = born female
trans woman = born male

but yes prostate cancer breast cancer cervical cancer still exist why should that matter

you are clearly anti trans
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PostSubject: Re: Transgender debate   Transgender debate Icon_minitimeWed 2 Oct 2024 - 6:14

Beaky wrote:
DrLeftover wrote:
An "inconvenient truth" that those in favor of all this ignore is that a trans-man (born male) who has had the surgery to become female, can still die of prostate cancer.

You can not defeat Nature.

you  have the terms the wrong way  round  

trans man = born female
trans woman = born male

but yes prostate cancer breast cancer cervical cancer still exist  why should that matter

you  are clearly anti trans


Thank you for the correction.

But you are incorrect in your assumption.

I am not "anti trans", I am "Pro Girl".

Where are the rights of natural biological girls to not have a biological male with them in the restroom or locker room?

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